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"I'm saying that the flying of some planes into some towers by some people is (surely!) not a theory, not a speculation, but a plain fact - part of the evidence that any theory has to explain."

Building 7 was turned into dust at 5.20 pm on September 11th 2001 - a football pitch away from the Twin towers that were destroyed around 7 hours earlier. NO PLANES FLEW INTO BUILDING 7!

Compare a video of Building 7 being destroyed with any other controlled demolition and the similarities are there. See the surprise of the Dutch demolition expert who watched the video of Building 7 being destroyed (
) when he was told it happened on 9/11 !

Add to the obvious imagery of our own eyes the conclusion of NIST itself that for over 2 seconds Building 7 was falling at almost free fall speed - -
( which would required the building to be suspended in mid air with nothing below it! ) then ask yourself - how can we believe any official statements on this event?



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From Aidan Monaghan, who's done quite a bit of Freedom of Information (FOI) research on the subject of the planes

"Auto-Pilot systems?"


Read reviews of Monaghan's book Declassifying 911 at Amazon:


William Blum in Foreign Policy Journal

The comments below article worth reading too.

Glenn Greenwald* (and others) have done sterling work exposing how groups which aimed to pull off a violent  deed were covertly infiltrated, aided and abetted, because allowing their projected act to happen (or almost happen) suits an agenda.
Is it a stretch therefore to think that a malicious AlQaeda group had a desire to attack the US and was covertly infiltrated and aided (engineered blowback) because its punch would conveniently serve as a powerful casus belli ('propaganda of the deed') to instantly rubber-stamp an aggressive, extra-legal strategy of disruption and degradation for the Middle East?
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* See Greenwald's work on intelligence stings at Salon and Intercept.


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First I would say that I appreciate your openness and honesty in the way your comments have approached the subject. We should all note that the Medialens editors repeatedly request that all discussions around this subject take place on this forum space and not the message board.

I think that it is fair to say that there are many sources of misleading, unsubstantiated and distracting information in the world of 911 research, and that critics of the citizen investigations have, as one favourite tactic, focused on these to the exclusion of others in an attempt to discredit research.
It is important to note however, that the bulk of the truth movement, and by that I mean the large majority of those family members who initiated a demand for clarity and answers, a majority of academics who have publicly expressed opinions about the issues, almost all the professional groups which have formed to demand a new investigation (architects and engineers, firefighters, scientists, medical professionals, lawyers, intelligence and military personnel) : all these groups have honed their critique around the same set of evidential points of contention. This is where I would point newby researchers for their reading.
These evidential points are summarised in the 911 Consensus Panel.
They are expanded fully in the Toronto Hearings report.
Much of the research is drawn from papers submitted to The Journal for 911 Studies.

There are other sources, and I also endorse (and support) the work of AE911Truth, their literature is solid.

Good luck out there, it is a large corpus, and often involves some re-orientation when reading.
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A belated "thank you" to spike, mack, CJ, Rhisiart Gwilym, margo, and Myers.

I've just been saving the articles from the original message board thread before they disappear, so that I can review the arguments later, and don't miss any of the links they give to other resources.

If I have any followup questions, I'll post them here.

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